Posts by fleaman uk

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

You are grasping at straws and when we get frustrated with your nonsense you divert the point and pick out the straw instead of dealign with the rafter in your eye

Sigh, you really dont grasp it do you. "We get frustrated". Easy to just run with the rabble eh. Its not grasping at straws, I only ever had contact with a few local congregations, of course my assumptions are based on that experience. Im assuming you are the same, but yet you make assumptions against an entire worldwide organization. Let me spell it for you, there is no paedophile paradise, the JW policies of abuse will always include the law as far as I am concerned. Yes, bad people will always exist in a group of about 6 million people. Every single witness I ever knew in 30 years would have no problem at all in turning over an abuser to the police.

Off you go and accuse me of being a JW sympathiser, it means nothing to me.

Maybe creating a fictional problem keeps certain people in business and makes them feel important.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

Over the last few days I have posted on 3 threads all about sexual abuse. JW apologists or walk-away believers seem to have the hardest time grasping that the WTS does not handle this properly.

You can't possibly know how the elders handle this unless you are sitting inthe room with them when they are meeting with those accused of child sexual abuse. You will never know how many are sitting next to you or behind you at the hall or across the aisle or are offering to walk your child for you at the back of the hall or in the parents room if they have one.

So, you have been in on all these meetings with abusers all around the world? Im afraid that is a totally sweeping statement.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

hey enough with the jokes. it isn't appropriate here so stay on topic please.

Exactly, idiots like Outlaw are making a serious subject look foolish with stupid pictures, pathetic comments etc.

LL, I remember the furore about the list and the silentlambs stuff (overly emotive name if you ask me). I was still in JW in 2002 when the panorama documentary came out and every JW I knew was disgusted though suspicious of the figures give. Every JW I knew would hold no truck in just allowing elders to handle abuse cases, they would go straight to the police (rightly so obviously). I have no reason to doubt that. Even elders were saying they were not qualified to deal with abuse cases and would gladly go straight to the police.

I still believe that despite an "official policy" all JWs would include the law in any of these disgusting cases.

It just seems an obsession for some to suggest there are problems where really there arent any. Paedophile paradise? definitely not.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

They impress You Enough to Comment about Them..

Trust me, they dont.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

Go away outlaw. Your stupid and childish graphics impress no-one.

there's a whole lotta fault when you incourage on the one hand and discourage on the other

why tell, if it will be swept under the rug ????

What does that even mean?

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

LL with respect, did that list really exist? It wasnt just to add drama to a tv programme? Im not being controversial for the sake of it, Im genuinely convinced there is false information out there that really helps nobodys cause.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

So, idiots are resorting to name calling. Pathetic.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

Now go back through what I posted - the critique of the page where they discuss what a child should do and why it isn't good enough. That directly addresses the first post on the thread.

Dont tell me what to do. I shant be reading your "critique". I stand by what I said. I am saddened and appalled that this terrible thing has happened to people in JW. But it is isolated and is no more likely to happen in the witnesses than anywhere else.

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by bigmac in

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i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

i've already found several by reading older posts..

fleaman uk

Any from Essex? :)

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

fleaman uk

Sabatious, the WTBTS's presumed ultimate intent in publishing the article has nothing to do with LITS's assertion.

The thread title clearly intimates that the GB "ultimately" (i.e., in the end) places the onus on the victim to stop the abuse. Nothing in that article supports that contention.
I distinctly remember the book's release because, at the time, I had two young daughters. I reviewed this very chapter with them repeatedly. The information was almost identical to what they were receiving contemporaneously at school. The picture is dramatic, but it merely shows a child in an empowered position.
LITS's argument is specious. S/he has explained herself since, but that does not change the fact that the information she originally posted did not support her argument.
The WTBTS makes enough errors. Making arguments against it consisting of tenuous links at best does nothing but make 'apostates' look 'hysterical.'

*Finally, someone who gets it. All the obsessed posters on here who only seem to discuss sex crimes and child abuse. Just desperate to bring down JW,s by using desperate tactics and then theres idiots like outlaw posting complete drivel. Sorry, doesnt wash. I was a jw for 30 years since age 3. Its a stupid time wasting religion for sure. Haven for paedophiles? Rubbish.*